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Friday, August 8, 2008

Leading Evangelical says Palin "rings the most bells" in VP race

Our movement got a big plug this morning from Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. In talking about VP choices with CBS News, Land said that Gov. Palin would be the most exciting VP choice for the Evangelical community. This brings up a key point that I've been trying to emphasize for a while now. Two of our biggest bases of support are Evangelical pro-lifers and libertarian budget-cutters. These two factions of the GOP tend to have an extreme distaste for one another, yet both consider Gov. Palin a hero. That alone should make her a leading choice.
---- Who’s on the list of people mentioned for VP that you think would most excite Southern Baptists and other members of the conservative faith community?

Richard Land: Probably Governor Palin of Alaska, because she's a person of strong faith. She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child. And there's a wonderful quote that she gave about her baby, and the fact that she would never, ever consider having an abortion just because her child had Downs Syndrome. She's strongly pro-life.

She's a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. She would ring so many bells. And I just think it would help with independents because she's a woman. She's a reform Governor. I think that, from what I hear, that would be the choice that Who’s on the list of people mentioned for VP that you think would most excite Southern Baptists and other members of the conservative faith community? Richard Land: Probably Governor Palin of Alaska, because she's a person of strong faith. She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child. And there's a wonderful quote that she gave about her baby, and the fact that she would never, ever consider having an abortion just because her child had Downs Syndrome.

She's strongly pro-life. She's a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. She would ring so many bells. And I just think it would help with independents because she's a woman. She's a reform Governor. I think that, from what I hear, that would be the choice that would probably ring the most bells, along with Mike Huckabee, of course, who's a Southern Baptist. , along with Mike Huckabee, of course, who's a Southern Baptist.


Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Bingo!!! Senator McCain simply cannot win without enthusiasm from the evangelical/social conservative wing of the party, and this is the second high-level evangelical to express support (after David Barton of Wallbuilders). And he does so despite Governor Huckabee's Southern Baptist credentials!!

The beautiful part of this is that Governor Palin is not readily caricatured as a Bible-thumping, snake-handling, mouth-breathing Holy Roller. Alaska is not even remotely thought of as part of the Bible-belt, and from my brief investigations, Governor Palin does not appear the type to wear her religious convictions on her sleave. Yet, her personal story is an inspiring story of faith and family that will resonate with all people of faith, irrespective of party. Truly good news.

Also, Jonah Goldberg today suggests at National Review Online, that an anti-corruption theme for the McCain campaign aimed at Senator Stevens, and supplemented with the selection of Governor Palin for VP, would be an excellent means of attracting both reticent Republicans and independents.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Not that there's anything wrong with Bible-thumping, snake-handling, mouth-breathing Holy Rollers. Some of my best friends fall into that category sans the snakes.

Oh, you know what I mean.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Read this LA Times story today on the VP minefield and notice who is not mentioned and who would immediately address the conflicting objections of social and fiscal conservatives.,0,6233949.story

Carlos Echevarria said...

This is precisely the reason why Mac cannot pick Willard "Slick Mitt" Romney; he would be the worse pick imaginable for a variety of reason, not least of being his LDS faith. (see Dick Morris' take)

The GOP Wonder Woman, Sarah Heath Palin, is the perfect choice and compliment to Team McCain.

Land's endorsement is a broadside to McCain in terms of who he should NOT pick and who he SHOULD pick!!!

Anonymous said...

Ethics complaint filed

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Well, this isn't good news:

McCain may pick VP first.

More and more I am doubting that McCain has the brains to pick Palin.

I got a call from McCain campaign yesterday for $$ and I told them to tell someone senior to Pick Palin and contact me :)

Anonymous said...

The last Republican to appeal to all three wings of the party (evangelicals, pro-growth conservatives and neo-conservatives) was Reagan.

Palin practices the Reagan docterine, which is why there is not a wing of the party arguing against her.

Adam Brickley, aka "ElephantMan" said...

Paul, that story seems to indicate that McCaqin is trying to let Obama go first. he fact that McCians is still vetting people is good for us, as it measn the list is still open, and who goes first is ecoming immaterial. If Obama goes first, I'm fully expecting him to take someone who will be a perfect Palin foil. If McCain goes first, Obama's choice becomes irrelevant.

Adam Brickley, aka "ElephantMan" said...

"there is not a wing of the party arguing against her."

Yes there is, the "we love pork and coruption" wing. :-) Which is fine, the more they talk, the better we look.

BigRob-68 said...

The Land interview was great. Social conservatives have never doubted her committment to principle. I am convinced that the way to put Palin over the top is with the economic wing. She is already getting some of this attention, yet, it a function of not being able to get her message out into the WSJ, NYT, and MSM. We in the GOP are quite talented at trivializing issues. This works great with gimmics like the Obama tire gauge, for example. In can work against us by making Palin a former beauty queen or mom which makes her look less serious on fiscal issues. I certainly disagree with this logic, yet, the MSM does it all the time. Look at how the media treats similar young reformers like Cantor or Jindal. The fiscal wing and groups like the Club for Growth are great at getting them publicity. Palin just needs her own similar credit.

Dave Hardy said...

She's not "virtually a lifetime member" of NRA. She's a Life Member, which is a specific type of membership. You pay life dues in a lump sum, and receive voting rights, etc.

Anonymous said...


"we love pork and corruption"adam,

True, but you know they are not classified as one of the three wings of the party.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Just think of what the social conservative base of the party will do when Governor Palin walks out onto that stage with the McCains and her family, Trig in her arms. Wow!!

And this will happen only after she's beaten the stuffing out of the Democrats on economic and energy policy in her prime time speech the night before.

If Grover Norquist and Land can agree on a candidate, seems like a no brainer for the McCain campaign.

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Anonymous said...

She's politically dead with an 80% approval rating.

Get a clue.

Anonymous said...

Well Syrin, sounds like you'd be happy to get rid of her as your guv then huh?

Anonymous said...

syrin, I found 8 grammar and spelling mistakes in the first two paragraphs of your blog.

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Re: Syrin

Ahh.. now we have attention!

Anonymous said...

Don't you have anything better to do? As a former Wasilla Alaskan, I know how some of you all do.I fully support Governor Sarah Palin.--a 65 year-old-grandmother and a former Alaskan.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...


What's with Syrin? I checked out her blog and she claims to be a Republican, but her ranting seems more akin to those we see on the other side, i.e., an inordinate use of the word "lied" when referring to a Republican office holder.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin walks out onto the stage with McCain holding Trig.....

better idea....

Todd Palin walks out onto the stage beind Sarah Palin and McCain holding Trig...

Perfect foil for Hillary the First...(rymes with Witch)

My wife observed from the MSM "scandal" that Todd Palin's aggressive defense of his sister-in-law Molly was really impressive-shows he is dedicated to his wife and what she cares about-the kind of male version of a combined Laura AND Barbara Bush.

As a male I would not have noticed this-but not only does Sarah help with the female vote but her husband's character also will bring women on board.

Anonymous said...

Hey, y'all!

I think Sarah Palin doesn't want her name put out there Big Time just yet.

She's innocent about the Trooper mess, so the "scandal" probably doesn't bug her much.

She's probably enjoying her last summer of peace with her family, especially with Trig.

By the time Americans have gotten through Obama's VP pick, the Olympics, and the Dems' convention, the public will be so bored to death, hearing about Obama. Heck, the polls show they already are sick of him.

The Republican convention will be the perfect time for McCain to introduce to Bored Americans the fresh face of Sarah Palin. She's real, smart, and a brave reformer.

What's not to like about her? I look forward to this.

And Syrian, ya'll should get a life. Go post your junk elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

This really is becoming interesting. I cannot think of a candidate for whom there has been such unanimity among otherwise disparate groups of conservatives since RWR.

Now, you'll get the kleptocrats and traditionalists who will tell you that Palin is "not conservative enough" with respect to X or Y. Maybe it will be a gay marriage thing or a taxation thing or something else. But, what your fanatics in the party fail to realize is that people don't expect any candidate to be a panacea. They just want to know that a candidate, for whatever disagreements on specific micro level issues there might be, shares their overall philosophy and comes across as someone who genuinely communicates with them.

If you wanted to classify her as any type of Republican, then I'd be inclined to classify Palin as a TR Republican when it comes to economic issues, someone who favors progress but not at the expense of being beholden to a specific corporation or at the expense of conservation (conservation in the Goldwater sense of the word and opposed to environmentalism in its currently perverse form).

In this election, that type of person has a unique appeal. You've got someone who generally pleases all types of conservatives and has that TR spirit (and approach) that is endearing to swing voters who feel lost when it comes to choosing between Dems who will **** over everyone in the name of big government and big government special interests and Reps who have spent the last decade bending over for other interests.

An investigation may impress the crowd. But, most Republicans won't give a flying ****, and most swing voters will see it as a witch hunt before they even hear the name Mike Wooten.

Inexperience may be another issue, but that complaint is muted by the Democratic nominee. And, for all of her inexperience, this governor has done a lot more in two years that a lot of people have done in longer tenures to change things (most will see it as reform for the better, although some will whine).

This really has shaped up for McCain as the year to run as the maverick against a do nothing Democratic Congress. In another year or with a different electorate or against a different opponent, McCain would either not have the nomination or be in real trouble.

But, this year and against this opponent, you want a running mate who simultaneously complements that story for independents and will energize conservatives.

You want to portray this as an election where one candidate-- BO-- talks and talks and talks but really wants to go back to the future, a future that looks like the Jimmy Carter years of double digit unemployment, inflation, and interest rates at home and impotence abroad and where the other candidate wants to lead the charge to reform this country's broken policies and institutions and to lead it into a real future.

Only one VP pick complements that theme for McCain. That's Sarah Palin.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1: What your wife says is how most swing voters will see it. First of all, they'll say "why can't she fire a cabinet member for failing to do the job". Second, they'll say "so what if she did want to see Wooten fired, the guy is scum".

Anon 2: I agree with the timing suggestion, but don't let Ted see it. I'd love to see her picked now to talk about it, but the convention timing is better. Plus, as you said, it gives Sarah the rest of the summer with her family before the proverbial poop hits the fan.

Anonymous said...


Tax the oil industry for their "obscene profits" and redistribute the money to citizens! That's the "new" American way! Vote for Obama/Palin in 2008!

Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Breaking news. Former Senator Edwards admits the affair, denies siring the child by suggesting he last engaged with Hunter in 2006 before his wife's recurrence of cancer (i.e., more than nine months before the child's birth), but doesn't exactly say why he would be having a clandestine meeting with both Hunter AND her child two weeks ago.

Impact on Denver. Not good for the Democrats. There is not enough time for Edwards to change the subject or whitewash the affair before the convention, so this story stomps on the coronation a bit, even if Edwards sticks his tail between his legs and stays away. If the Obama campaign does let him speak, it will be at four o'clock in the morning in a bathroom stall under the convention hall. The MSM can be counted on to minimize the impact for Senator Obama, but a presidential candidate and possible running mate having an affair and lying about it during a campaign is just not a good message for Democrats, and the MSM has already injured its credibility on this by not reporting it.

And it doesn't help Hillery either. Oh sure, her feminist troops will try to force her onto the ticket by arguing that the Edwards affair puts women even more into play and only Herself can appeal to them. Except, the Edwards affair brings back memories of Monica, a certain stained blue dress, and invites the nation to consider the vulnerability of future interns in an Obama White House. It may cause Senator Obama to choose a woman, but this pretty much assures it won't be Hillery.

Impact on McCain VP selection. Moderate. None of the many individuals under consideration gives even a whiff of this type of scandal. To the extent it puts women in play (due to their disgust), it favors the selection of Governor Palin.

Anonymous said...

I notice that on "The Page" by Mark Halperin, under their Veepstakes Potpourri link which updates readers regarding VP news, their link to the Richard Land interview inaccurately states "Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention strongly backs Rep. Cantor as McCain's choice". Is the media THAT INCREDIBLY DECEPTIVE, or simply incompetent?

Anonymous said...

Re: Evangelical conservatives luke warm or Palin's position on gay marriage?

They may be-but the holy grail of religious conservatism is abortion and here is what we KNOW about Palin's action - not just her talk

1. Belongs to Feminists for Life along with wife of Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts.

2. Personally demonstrated her true pro-life convictions by carrying a Down's Syndrome baby to term.

3. Keeps company with Robert Bork - saw a photo of Palin and Bork meeting with one another on the web - any questions about Palin's judicial philosophy?

No doubt Justice Stevens will try to outlast a McCain administration to preserve his liberal activism on the court, but he is almost 90 years old.

However, if Stevens sees a Palin administration on the horizon with Luttig waiting to replace him he may go ahead and decide to jump ship taking his chances with McCain.

Make no mistake, if Palin is nominated VP, Roe vs. Wade, currently on life support, is deader than hell. And given the prospect of that prize, more than one social conservative will be willing to look the other way regarding what a few gays are up to in the bushes at the city park.

Anonymous said...

Land did mention Cantor in the interview, after he discussed Mitt Romney. But, the first name out of his mouth was Sarah Palin.

Anonymous said...

The gay issue is not quite as big of a deal to evangelicals as right to life. As far as I know, there is no large denomination that openly supports choice, but there are quite a few that are becoming tolerant of homosexuality. Don't get me wrong. I think most evangelicals still see homosexuality as sinful, but view it more as a struggle such as being obese or drinking or smoking. I think many evangelicals, also though they think homosexuality is wrong, believe that homosexuals shouldn't be discriminated against as long as they are obeying the law and doing their job and not trying to force their lifestyle on others. Therefore, I don't think her signing the tolerance bill would be a major road block for conservative support.
dr. v

Adam Brickley, aka "ElephantMan" said...

The other thing to consider is that Gov. Palin supports defining marriage as one man and one woman. She does allow the partners oof gay/lesbian state employees to collect benefits, but when it comes to the marriage issue, she's right in line with most Evangelicals.

Rob Harrison said...

Dr. Vicki: those denominations you mention are run by Dem-voting liberals (though that doesn't define the majority of the membership), so that's not really representative. I should know, I'm an evangelical who pastors in one. That said, your main point (that Palin's position is one with which most evangelicals are comfortable) is spot-on.

Anonymous said...

For those on this site who are over 35 (not me) may remember a dirty little secret that Conservative never talk about today.

in 1979/80 conservative Washington insiders questioned Reagan's conservatism, much like a handful do of Palin.

It is the positive message. That is what they did not get back then, but most are not making that mistake this time. Delay, Kristol, Kudlow, Santorum, Land, etc...they see a positive conservative message in Palin, and they will not make the same mistake again.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...


There is a difference between private toleration of gay sensibilities and judicial imposition of gay rights, and I hope Governor Palin understands the difference.

When the United States Supreme Court recognized those who engage in homosexual intimacy as a class of individuals entitled to equal protection in Romer v. Evans, the 6-3 majority held, in essence, that there is NO rational basis for discriminating against such individuals, period. Justice Kennedy's opinion referred to those who supported Amendment 2 to the Colorado constitution, which included groups such as Focus on the Family, as motivated by "animus" towards gays. [Amendment 2 withdrew from municipalities such as Boulder, Denver and Aspen the constitutional authority to recognize sexual orientation as a protected class for purposes of housing discrimination.]

In other words, a majority of the Court concluded, through Justice Kennedy's opinion, that a traditional understanding of sexual morality, even when informed by well-founded religious belief, is nothing more than prejudice and bigotry. Over sixty percent of Colorado voters voted in favor of Amendment 2. Sound familiar?

With the recent overruling of the 2000 Marriage Referendum -- passed by approximately 60 percent of the voters in California -- by that state's supreme court, and with the coming referendum on a marriage amendment to overrule that decision, the gay rights agenda really breaks down to a self-government/judicial activism issue. There are currently five votes on the United States Supreme Court(Kennedy, Stevens, Souter, Breyer and Ginsberg, all of whom voted to strike down Amendment 2 in Romer) for not only striking down the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), but also for invalidating any state constitutional amendment or DOMA protecting traditional marriage. Recall, there is no rational basis for such discrimination.

While it is possible that Kennedy may pull back from the abyss given the unique character of the institution of marriage (i.e., the optimal influence of both a mother and father in raising their offspring), I think it unlikely, so it is imperative that Senator McCain and his running mate commit themselves to originalists such as Justices Scalia and Thomas, to avoid the imposition of gay marriage by judicial fiat on the entirety of the country.

We are still a people committed to self-government. If the people of California want to amend their constitution to include gay marriage, and so vote, so be it. If that majority includes evangelicals and other individuals of faith who wish greater toleration of their gay friends and acquaintances, their votes are between themselves and their God.

But every Republican candidate ought to understand that there are real consequences for such an amendment. Massechusetts now mandates sex education that teaches homosexuality as the moral equivalent of heterosexuality because not to do so would violate their constitution as interpreted by their Supreme Judicial Court. California will no doubt follow. If the U.S. Supreme Court follows its reasoning in Romer and Lawrence and thereby agrees with Massachusetts and California, there is a real possibility that our children will be taught that religious instruction on human sexuality, as informed by one's particular faith, is legally immoral, and we will not be able to opt out of such teaching in the public and, possibly, private schools.

In other words, the day of reckoning is coming when equal protection for gays and free exercise for traditional believers will collide, and the trend is not encouraging for free exercise. As alarmist as this sounds, it is, unfortunately, true.

At the very least, I hope Governor Palin understands and embraces the separation of powers/self-government argument against judicially-imposed gay marriage and will commit to nominating judges who have an equal understanding of the limitations on their authority and who defer to the will of the people as expressed through their votes.

Although this is Senator McCain's stated commitment, I found myself dismayed at his abject refusal (or inability) to defend traditional marriage with even the separation of powers argument when confronted by Ellen Degeneres about her then upcoming nuptuals on her show soon after the California decision. By weakly arguing that he is for private contracts to facilitate gay arrangements, and by not even looking at Ellen while begging to agree to disagree with her, he pretty much told every traditionalist on this issue that traditional marriage is not defensible. On any basis.

Meanwhile, Senator Obama has flipped on this issue as well, going from supporting letting the individual states decide the issue (which is what the federal DOMA statute preserves) to advocating the repeal of federal DOMA and the defeat of November's referendum.

Have you heard anything from the McCain campaign about this change? No. It's as though they have already conceded the issue and they just want it to go away.

So, although I agree that abortion is the more important issue for most evangelicals and social conservatives, Senator McCain and Governor Palin should at least acknowledge their commitment to defending traditional marriage from judicial activism.

Her commitment to traditional marriage is a plus. I hope she is more articulate in its defense than the good Senator.

Anonymous said...

Late VP announcements:

By this time in 2000, both Cheney and Liberman had been announced.

Are we witnessing a game of chicken between McCain and Obama in 2008?

Anonymous said...

"Are we witnessing a game of chicken between McCain and Obama in 2008?"

I do not think so, I think they are both waiting for a reason.

McCain want to dominate the news around the convention.

Anonymous said...

Joe Lieberman, the former Democratic vice-presidential nominee who has endorsed John McCain, is being vetted as a potential running mate for the Republican presidential hopeful, according to an adviser to Mr McCain’s ­campaign.

Anonymous said...

If he picks Lieberman conservatism is screwed. Honestly, I think I'd rather wait and have Jindal/Palin or Palin/Jindal and hope that for every democrat like Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama there's a Ronald Reagan.

Anonymous said...

I'm still not as optimistic as Ted, but I'm now firmly in the "smokescreen" camp on all these leaks.

My pessimistic side says that maybe a Palin leak wasn't reported by the MSM, but even if that happened it would be a clear indication to McCain about who they fear most.

Anonymous said...

I'll just throw this out there. Mike Huckabee, my former governor here in Arkansas, has been under investigation for taking gifts from wealthy folks, such as the Tyson chicken folks and Osborn. He's also been investigated for not claiming enough for these gifts. For example, a lady gave him a stadium blanket that she needed. He claimed $75 on his taxes, the lady said it was worth $250. He also pardoned a guy who after his release murdered a little old lady. So, if Mike Huckabee would still be considered a very viable candidate for veep after all this, I don't know why the little dust up over this trooper thing would disqualify her. I think we're just worried because we are very focused on this, whereas it's just not on the public radar screen in the same way that it is scrutinized in the local press.
I think it will boil down to who McCain feels really comfortable with and who they think will help them win.
dr. v

Anonymous said...

Dr. v:--

The media wouldn't play up the Huckabee negative stuff UNTIL AFTER HE WERE SELECTED, because the MSM and the Dems WOULD LOVE NOTHIN BETTER THAN FOR MCCAIN TO SELECT HUCKABEE VEEP and they wouldn't want to hurt his chances(which is merely an academic point since it ain't gonna happen).

Bill said...

Hey, Just wanted to point out the great piece on National Review by Jonah Goldberg...he's making the case for selecting Palin for VP. I also wrote about it on my blog:

Anonymous said...

Ironiclly what the MSM plays up the most about Huck is that he raised taxes. What makes that rather unfair was that Arkansas was under a district supreme court order to bring the rural schools up to par with the others in the state or our whole public school system would be shut down and turned over to a federal oversight group. So, to say Huckabee raised taxes is a misrepresentation of the truth.
as usual
dr. v

Anonymous said...


DNC running new ad tying McCain to Bush, titled "Maverick No More" and/or "Same Old Politics".

Why perfecto? Why bingo?

Because SARAH PALIN is the perfect response by McCain.

Dems say of McCain "Maverick No More", McCain/Palin says "MAVERICK GALORE"

Dems say of McCain "Same Old Politics", McCain/Palin says: "What 'same', they're not about OLD politics, they're about BOLD poltics"

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Mongo - I know exactly what you are talking about. I mentioned it on my blog yesterday.

I emailed the author Janet abuot it and I'd suggest you guys do the same.

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Heads up,
Palin express interest in VP.

See my blog

Mongo Mere Pawn said...


I watched the joint interview you have posted on your blog between Charlie Rose and Governor Palin and Governor Napolitano. Presentation-wise, I think both performed well, with Napolitano coming across as a bit more seasoned due to the hint of gray in her hair and a lower voice.

Since the purpose of the interview was to highlight women governors and how they govern, and not to debate specific issues between the parties, it is difficult to get a good gauge from this interview of how Governor Palin will stack up in a campaign debate against an older woman, such as Clinton, Napolitano or Sebelius. They never really clashed on specific issues and they both comported themselves deferentially to one another.

The only point of partisanship came when Rose asked Palin what she thought of the Bush energy plan and Napolitano interrupted and asked, essentially, "What Bush energy plan?" Rose laughed and moved on without really giving Palin an opportunity to answer the question and, given her earlier indication that part of the energy problems Alaska faces is the intransigence of Washington on development, I'm not sure she would have been in a position to defend the Administration. Again, a clash on issues would have given us a better measure of both women.

The interview does make it absolutely clear that Governor Palin understands the energy issue cold and quite possibly may be the single most articulate spokesperson for developing our own energy resources, in an environmentally safe manner, and with an eye to national security. Conservation is clearly a matter of concern to her, but she clearly thinks that drilling in ANWR and offshore can be done in an environmentally safe manner. Given her working with environmental groups to get the Trans-Canadian natural gas pipeline approved, it will be hard for the Democrats to slime her as a knee-jerk puppet of big oil and her opposition to the listing of the polar bear gives her a platform from which to explain how NIMBYism truly hurts not just Alaskan, but American families trying to get to work everyday.

From a likability perspective, referring to her husband, Todd, as the First Dude, gives us a glimpse of her appeal to both family values and younger voters.

Overall, the interview reinforces my confidence that she is the best running mate for Senator McCain.

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Mongo - Is the interview on charlierose's site?

Could you provide a link?


Anonymous said...


The Human Events piece you're referring to is by their John Gizzi and is dated 3/27/08!

Come on, we're light years ahead of that. Moreover, of course Palin's expressed interest, repeatedly; there's no new news there.

Anonymous said...

Mongo Mere Pawn,

The Charlie Rose interview was conducted is over a year old.

You can find the interview in Google video's.

SMatthewStolte said...

In Sturgis, McCain jokingly said he was encouraging his wife to compete in a beauty pageant to become Miss Buffalo Chip.

Mayhap he wanted to gauge folks' reactions to beauty queens in politics ;)

If so, signs are good. The crowd in Sturgis roared and cheered. And the National Organization for Women (a fairly left-wing women's group) contemns the statement.

Anonymous said...

Democrats pan Carly Fiorina as possible McCain VP pick!

SMatthewStolte said...

Here's a link for anon's post.

Anonymous said...


"fairly left-wing women's group"

How about a radical left wing organization.

Anonymous said...

Mongo, I saw the Rose interview when it aired. I thought Napolitano came off as rather "butch" as opposed to more seasoned. I also thought Rose was rather biased in that interview. He just seemed to toss a lot more questions to Nap than to Palin. To folks that are into politics, they may respond to Napolitano more, but I think to the average Joe (and especially Joes not Janes) Palin is a lot more appealing. She doesn't get too deep into stuff, keeps it on a level that people can follow the sound bites. And she maintains her femininity. She doesn't have to have a man haircut and talk in a deep voice to get her point across. New generation professional women will relate to her in a way they are turned off by women like Napolitano.
dr. v

SMatthewStolte said...

"How about a radical left wing organization."

I guess, if you want to be technical about it.

Health And Fitness Geek said...

FYI, New York Post recently commented on Stevens, Alaska, McCain and Palin.

Mongo Mere Pawn said...


Jonah Goldberg's op-ed for the New York Post is the same one he posted at National Review Online. Goldberg also has referred to Governor Palin as a potential "homerun" for Senator McCain in a previous op-ed for the LA Times on potential running mates.

dr. v,

I agree with your assessment of Rose's bias. Heck, he pretty much ignored Governor Palin for the first 6 or 7 minutes of the interview.

It heartens me that she did so well a year ago. I guess I could have figured that out when Rose mentioned she was newly elected the previous November.

My point about Napolitano's "seasoning" was meant to raise the issue of Palin's youth and attractiveness as a possible distraction from her substance. There is a reason she wears those glasses, and it's not only because her vision needs correction. It gives her a more serious, deliberative appearance to offset the inevitable Barbie Doll critique. Of course, it also leads to "naughty librarian" obsrvations by late night comedians.

I know, I know, we're talking about Sarah Barracuda, who probably possesses a better 3-point shot than Senator Obama, and who can outshoot him with a rifle, but I still remember the hit job caricature the Feminazis performed on Katherine Harris, as well as the "You're no Jack Kennedy" torpedo Senator Bentsen unloaded on then Senator Quayle.

It is something to take into account, but the thing that makes me think such a caricature will be difficult this campaign is that Governor Palin has her substantive issues, particularly energy, down cold, and Senator Obama's own youth and lack of experience compares poorly with hers. He is simply painful to watch without a teleprompter. She is on her game without one.

Bottom line, her youth and attractiveness will get voters to pay attention to her, even though they may initially have lower expectations due to Barbie bias, but such lower expectations will make her all the more impressive when she stomps the snot out of whichever stiff Obama selects for his running mate.

P.S. I'm still waiting for Adam to post a "separated by birth" of Governor Palin and Mariska Hargitay of Law & Order SVU. No one mistakes Detective Olivia Benson for a lightweight.

Anonymous said...

In McCain's corner on Iraq, Lieberman fueling VP talk

Anonymous said...

A new poll revealed that John McCain remains the clear choice among Israelis for the White House, the presumptive Republican candidate for president was last weekend reported to be looking at a leading Jewish politician as a possible running mate as he attempts to maximize support across America!

Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous, Sarah Palin's already courtin and gettin the Jewish vote. See this:

Anonymous said...

... a moose, a synagogue and a blackberry all in one setting for Palin. This is one savvy lady.

Anonymous said...

(and anonymous, Eric Cantor, the most popular REPUBLICAN Jew -- who has a REAL future of national GOP prominence -- is already out there; and anyway, the Israeli polls, as you point out, ALREADY, with or withoug Lieberman by his side, show a basis for McCain support by Jews)

Anonymous said...

Don't ya'll know? Palin is a tongue-speaking evangelical. Stuff like that turns people off.

Anonymous said...

anonymous, turns which "people off"?

Anonymous said...

"She's a toungue-speaking evangelical" -- First, where did you get that info. Second, so what. she speaks to me in a "tongue" that I understand -- how she speaks to God is up to her.

Anonymous said...

I've tried to look up which Christian religion she belongs to and haven't found which one. If you are saying she belongs to Assembly of God or Pentecostal, number one, you're most likely wrong on the Pentecostal part because Pentecostal women do not cut their hair, wear long skirts and do not wear make up. If she belongs to Assembly of God, that is a less "fundamentalist" branch of Pentecostal and speaking in tongues, while accepted in that religion, is not an integral part of it as it is in the Pentecostal church.
dr. v

Mongo Mere Pawn said...

Good summary of those denominations most noted for the practice of glossolalia, dr. v., although there are those who include speaking in tongues in their worship in the mainline churches as well.

I have found nothing on the web to indicate that Governor Palin is a member of either the Assemblies of God or the United Pentecostal Church, let alone anything that specifically confirms that glossolalia is a part of her worship. Considered evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer, it can be an important part of sharing the Gospel, for example, as did Peter and the disciples on the day of Pentecost to Jews on pilgrimage from all parts of the Roman Empire, but it is usually a matter of private worship and prayer.

Unfortunately, the most readily accessible image of glossolalia for the general public is the homicidal character played by Robert DeNiro in Cape Fear (1991), speaking incoherently as he slowly sinks beneath the waves to his death at the end of the film. This is the image anonymous fears the Democrats will attempt to evoke if Governor Palin becomes Senator McCain's running mate.

In other words, anonymous thinks my initial post about the inability of the Democrats to caricature Governor Palin as "a Bible-thumping, snake-handling, mouth-breathing Holy Roller" was a bit optimistic. Except, short of Governor Palin being "slain in the Spirit" during some interview, there simply does not appear to be any evidence to support such a caricature.

The following article refers to Governor Palin as a "non-denominational Protestant":

There is simply nothing about being a "non-denomintational Protestant" that is controversial, no matter how hard the MSM and the Democrats want that to be so. In their eyes, ANY public official with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the second coming of Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition (cue Mel Brooks or Monty Python, your choice).

On the other hand, we KNOW that traditional Christian faith is a plus for the evangelical and social conservative portions of the Republican base. I stand by my original post. Since she does not appear to wear her faith on her sleave, it will remain difficult to caricature her in the manner here attempted by anonymous.

Anonymous said...

This is what I found, though I don't know how reliable the source was. Palin is a regular attendee of Church on the Rock in Wailla AK. They have a website. It seems to be your standard large suburban non denominational Christian evangelical church. They didn't have a lot of info on their website, so I couldn't figure out their position on speaking in tongues. But, it looks pretty modern and suburban to have that as a centerpiece of their faith. I don't mean that critically at all, it's just that in my experiences here in the Bible belt, and coming from a very religious family with lots of pastors and missionaries in it, speaking in tongues is more of a rural/small church practice and not seen as often in these large suburban denominations.
dr. v
Personally, I think people like Dobson, Land, and basically the whole evangelical community would go nuts if McCain picked Palin. Abortion is by far their number one issue, and although they are a little tepid about a mom taking an office like that as opposed to being home with her children, they would get over it because she is the absolute poster child for the right to life cause.

Anonymous said...

This church membership is just another MSM witch hunt. Reagan was from the Disciples of Christ - Christian Church and frequently held private church services in the White House. He did not wear it on his sleeve. Palin appears to be of the same fold.

The MSM is just going nuts that so many evangelical pastors are praising Palin yet there is no nutty minister (AKA Jeremiah Wright) to tie around her neck.

They see her for the danger she represents to them and THE ONE. She firmly rallies to a fervor one of the GOP's most important bases, the religious right, yet does nothing to offend those who don't identify with, or even outright have a dislike of the religious right.

What is THE ONE going to say??: "Actually I think she have had an abortion-she never should have exposed a Down's baby to a tough life"

Maybe this can be The Teflon president Volmn II.

Anonymous said...

Ordained woman here.

Yes, many "nondenominational churches" do not espouse or practice speaking in tongues, being "slain in the Spirit," or other typical-for-Pentecostal church practices.

Of course, many of those members might say, "Not that there's anything WRONG with those things!" (chuckle)

Also, people who are members of many Christian denominations have also become "charismatic," and practice those things privately, or even quietly during corporate worship.

Then, too, many other Christians are skittish or judgmental about Pentecostal-type practices.

My point:

It's impossible to lump Christians or Evangelicals together.

The two P. candidates just need to do what they actually believe is best----and not follow the polls and their advisors.

I wish McCain weren't so bound by his superstitions. He probably needs them to make himself feel safer. Lord knows he's been traumatized.....

But God also knows that McCain can be set free from those fears.

I think Sarah Palin could help bring more joy and peace into the McCains' private lives, too......

Let's all pray for this!

Anonymous said...

I agree. The more I follow the campaign, the more I believe a Palin pick is the way to turn this around. Rove said today McCain needs to pivot to say how he is different, from both Bush and Obama. Palin is a way to turn the campaign absolutely positive. I think she would add a spirit to his campaign that none of those white guys could do. She'd get evangelicals excited, she'd get women republicans excited, she has a chance of getting the young republicans excited, anyone who as dealt with a handicapped child. She is someone I think a lot of rural and blue collar Americans could really relate to. I also think that a lot of folks who are leaning toward Obama because they feel they should give a minority a chance to be president might swing back to McCain/Palin ticket in order to give a woman a chance at the vp. I did initially look at Obama because I thought it would be a good thing to have a minority earn that office, but then I realized how incredibly liberal he was, ESPECIALLY on abortion.
dr. v

Anonymous said...

I am not sure if anyone if looking at the latest polling very closely, but McCain is doing well with men (very well), but McCain is doing poorly with women. Since women vite in larger numbers than men, McCain must do something about this.

Anonymous said...

There's been a lot of activity on the CNN VP trading market today--Palin is up by more than $6 (currently at $13+--has been as high as $16)! A bigger increase than any other Republican VP candidate.

Yes, I think Palin would be a terrific choice to energize women in BOTH parties (speaking as a former Clinton democrat).

Since we've been brainstorming on marketing ideas--how about a riff on the old "Rosie the Riveter" theme?--replacing Rosie with Sarah leading the US in the effort for energy independence.


Anonymous said...

It's great to see these endorsements for Palin from Land and others from Evangelicals and others; But I have a few questions and comments. I most definitely want Mccain to choose Palin as his Running Mate. I understand the power it would have if he named her as his running mate at the convention. Even though we live in an age of 24/7 News/Instant Messages/Internet/Ect. Do you think announcing at the Convention would give the Mccain/Palin Ticket enough time to Moblize the members of the base to get out the vote? The Convention is Sept 1-4th The Conservatives/VOLUNTEERS and others will have to get out thier Message in a short time. I remember in 2004 people in Florida were volunteering 40 hours a week after thier 40 hr. a week jobs.
M. Minnesota

Health And Fitness Geek said...

Here's are actionable things I'm proposing on moving Palin aling:

1.) If Adam hasn't done it already, print out petition and mail it to McCain, Palin, their families, all the MSMs and local Alaska news channels.( mentioned here)

2.) For those in Alaska, engage with the media and engage the office, politely, expressing the effort.

3.)Email/call McCain/Palin untill they tell us to stop calling and emailing them. Yes, a spam of sorts, but our message should be well understood. (I've done this today..)
4.)Youtube channel. Started, great idea.